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You're either For it or Against it ;>
Published on August 9, 2004 By Champas Socialist In Politics
47 former Australian Defence personnel, including former Navy and Army chiefs have written a letter calling for more truth in Government from both sides of politics. They accuse the current Parliament of having misled the Australian people on their reasons for going to war with Iraq and various other things. It caused a ruccus in Parliament yesterday, with the Government refusing to answer the questions raised by the letter. My response:

From John Howard’s side-stepping around the issue of deception in Government during Question time yesterday, am I to take it that he is opposed to the Defence Chiefs’ calls for truth in Government?

Can someone please explain to me: Are those Defence Chiefs who signed that letter with us or against us?

So if Mr Howard says it’s partisan to call for truth in Government does that mean the Liberals are against it and Labor is in favour of it?

And a script in the style of Brian Dawe and John Clarke...

Dawe: We’re talking this evening with Federal Defence Minister Robert Hill. Robert Hill, thanks for joining us.

Clarke: Pleasure Brian.

Dawe: Mr Hill, what does the Government have to say in response to the letter by 47 former Defence personnel accusing you of being untruthful?

Clarke: Well, we’ve got nothing to say Brian.places piece of masking tape over his mouth that says Free th Refugees

Dawe: Mr Hill take the piece of tape off

Clarke: removes tape But we’ve got nothing to say Brian

Dawe: Nothing at all?

Clarke: Well we’ve decided to respond to their call not to be deceitful and the only way we can do that is if we don’t say anything at all.

Dawe: So you agree with their statement that you’ve been untruthful?

Clarke: Well no not as such.

Dawe: Then what is your position Mr Hill?

Clarke: Well we don’t have a position.

Dawe: Mr Hill are you opposed to truth in Government?

Clarke: Well, no not as such.

Dawe: So you’re in favour of it?

Clarke: Well I wouldn’t like to say that either.

Dawe: So what is your position on truth in Government Mr Hill?

Clarke: We’re opposed to the Defence Chiefs’ calls for truth in Government.

Dawe: How can you be against their calls for truth but not be against truth in Government?

Clarke: Well Brian the problem with this message is its clear partisanship. I mean if they want to call for truth in Government then they’re obviously in favour of a Labor Government.

Dawe: Are you saying the Liberal Party’s not in favour of it?

Clarke: In favour of what Brian?

Dawe: Truth in Government.

Clarke: Well, no not as such Brian.

Dawe: You’re not in favour of truth?

Clarke: Well we’re not saying either way Brian. We’d probably have to set up a Minsistry for Truth or at least a Senate Inquiry into the value of truth in Government before we decided our position on truth. We don’t want to be too hasty.

Dawe: And if the Ministry for Truth advised you to be truthful, what would be your response then?

Clarke: Well we’d have to question intelligence that came back suggesting we be truthful.

Dawe: Why?

Clarke: Well it would contradict everything we’ve been told by the Americans and ASIO so far Brian.

Dawe: So you are saying that you’ve been untruthful up until now?

Clarke: We’re saying the Defence Chiefs have been untruthful.

Dawe: Yes Mr Hill but what about you, the Government?

Clarke: I told you Brian, the truth of the matter is that we don’t have a position on truth in Government.

Dawe: Mr Hill I think we’re done here this evening.

Clarke: Ain’t that the truth.
And an alternative bit I thought of afterwards that I can't fit in:
Dawe: Mr Hill, the question of truth has been raised in Parliament this week...]
Clarke: I'm sorry what was that word you used Brian?]
Dawe: Truth?]
Clarke: Please explain.]
Dawe: Err, truth, it means honesty, the opposite of falsehood...]
Clarke: This man's talking gibberish, look can someone please get me a dictionary? Oh yes I see it. Uhuh. Right. Oh yes truth! Of course, I remember now. Yes well truth, truth, we love a bit of truth, yes. Truth, Love, Beauty, Freedom. Oh yes, love a bit of truth.]
Dawe: In Government?]
Clarke: Oh now I don't know about that Brian.]
Dawe: You're not sure about truth in Government?]
Clarke: Well the Government can't be expected to do everything Brian.]
Dawe: But surely you're in favour of truth in Government?]
Clarke: Well, we're the Liberal Party, Brian. We're very liberal with the truth.]

Comments
on Aug 09, 2004
When governments are clearly wrong they rally round truth in government as a euphemism for stonewalling.
on Aug 10, 2004
He he he. It's especially funny when you imagine their voices in your head.
on Aug 12, 2004
To be honest I was going to write something, and in fact did when human error erased my decent post. So instead I'll tell you what i was going to write, or at least a summary of it. Whilst your post was funny it missed the point. Essentially they are bunch of anti-government people, who have done more then just this in their lives against the government. I was going to use parts of, wait for it, Andrew Bolt's article (found at http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,10406001%255E25717,00.html), but not all of it as i know he can be a little one sided. Check it out nevertheless. It also points out the stupidity of some of the stuff in the petition.
on Aug 15, 2004
The thrust of Bolt's argument seems to be the fact that some of the signatories have said this before. So? They should be commended for relentlessly pursuing such an important issue as dishonesty by politicians of all stripes. What, does Bolt want to criticise them for being consisten (ie not backflipping( now?
Or is he saying we should pay no attention to people who've shown their opinions to be biased in favour of one Party? Seems to me Bolt would be out of a job then. He said on The Insiders his problem is they want 2 bites of the cherry after already having had media time for this. Seems to me his quibble sgould be with the media, not the letter writers. Or is he going to start blaming the newsmakers for what his own paper decides to cover? Sounds like the sort of blame shifting he usually accuses the Left of.
In these days of throwaway news, where important issues are ignored and off the agenda of you can't find something, shiny, new and exciting to say about it, we should be happy the media has stuck to an important issue for once.
That national Party moron told the doddering old diplomats to keep their opinios to themselves. Speaking of doddering old diplomats, I'd like to offer the same advice to John Howard, but I know he won't take the advice, so instead let's have some open and robust debate. Heaven forbid we use our right to free speech, Coalition.
But back to Bolt and his complaint of them getting too much news coverage... this is coming from a man who churns out editorials like sausages. They are full of fat and offel too. Bolt churns out so much turgid rubbish he does the Right a disservice by making them seem like a bunch of pious whingers. He is under worse contractual obligations than were the Beatles and thus ends up expressing whatever Right wing opinion he can think of to satiate the appetites of his bigoted readers. Little thought seems to go into his arguments, as long as he can think of something to say and it's Right wing. It would not surprise me to learn that Bolt is to Howard what Monica was to Clinton. Never before have I seen a person so desperate to tow whatever line Howard is taking. He is like a Catholic schoolgirl eager to impress the Liberal Party boys out the back of the school dance. He giggles and flirts and then gives lip service. His articles arten't worth the cyberspace they're published in.
But yes, FishHead, Bolt can be a little one-sided, in the same way Mussolini could be a little bit fascist or Hitler could be a little bit genocidal.