A champagne socialist reflects on Western culture and the Universe... and whilst gazing at his navel, he comes up with a lot of useless lint. It is the fruits of this navel-gazing that form the substance of this blog.
Published on January 16, 2005 By Champas Socialist In Politics
I have strong political beliefs about a lot of things as you probably know. I have an opinion about refugees, drugs, diplomacy, environmental policy, immigration, abortion, social security etc. And the curious thing is that 99% of my beliefs probably fall under the category of Left wing politics. Why?

It seems strange to me that anyone else combines all the beliefs I do. I see a lot of my opinions as being separate from each other. For instance, I believe in increasing immigration because I like a diverse range of people and I like a diverse range of cultures. Although I also happen to think it will help Australia economically, that is not my reason for liking immigration. So I don't understand the connection between my liking of immigration and say my dislike of major corporate companies and their greed-based values. After all, a lot of the immigrants coming out here are Right wingers themselves. I've noted on several occasions that the irony of being Left is that half the time you're sticking up for the rights of Right wingers.

Equally I don't think we should destroy the environment. I think we need to preserve the planet for all of the Earth's creatures that will live in the future. So why would that have anything to do with my belief that we should decriminalise marijuana? In fact why should that belief have anything to do with the fact that I believe that we should help people with drug addictions by providing "safe" heroin injection rooms and other similar ideas? After all, my opinion on marijuana is shaped by an opinion that people should have the right to take the three soft drugs; alcohol, marijuana and nicotine. My opinion on heroin injecting rooms is based on trying to help people with an addiction.

I think we need unions to create better conditions for workers. But why should this have anything to do with the fact that I think we should have more "liberal" sex laws in order to lower the rates of rape and child molestation? I suppose you can link those together a bit more easily, but it isn't immediately obvious.

I can see the connection between some of my beliefs. Many of them are drawn together by what is often referred to as "compassion" I suppose. I don't believe in locking up refugees because it is not nice. I don't like war because it is aggressive. I like immigrants because I like people. I think we should have the choice to have abortions because I think the alternatives will cause social problems. And I believe in gay rights and women's rights because I believe in equal rights for all people. It's a general belief in humanity and a liking for people that draws this all together. But the rest? They've got nothing to do with each other.

Yet I am certainly not alone in drawing these beliefs together. The Greens draw together a lot of my opinions in one party. The opinions I had four years ago were drawn together perfectly by the Democrats. However, when it comes to choosing between the two major parties, I don't necessarily think that Labor's half-arsed Leftist approach (really it's more of a Centrist-Right approach) is necessarily a better option than Liberal's Right-Right-Right option.

It certainly is something pertaining specifically to our times to link these things together. I have often commented that labels like Left/Right are silly. I mean even today, although I hate Pauline Hanson's cultural supremacist views, I agree with her view that we should not sell off Telstra. I agree with Labor Right's opinion that public Health is better for the country because it pays off dividends in the long run. But I disagree with their policy of destroying cross media ownership laws. I agree with Family First that we need strong child protection laws, but I strongly disagree with their anti-abortionist stance. Looking back historically, Plato and I both believe in gay rights, but I don't agree with his chauvinism. I agree with Edmund Barton's protectionist stance, but I certainly disagree with the White Australia Policy. And I agree with traditional Aboriginal attitudes to the environment but I certainly disagree with their tribal wars.

The only thing I can conclude is that the current paradigm of Leftist thought, as many would label it, is a reaction to the specific problems of our day and designed as a response to meet the specific needs of our current society.


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on Jan 17, 2005
Reply By: UBoBPosted: Monday, January 17, 2005just try to remember {as I do} its takes 2 wings for the eagle to fly... a left wing and a right one.Not sure where this fits into your bird metaphor but,.......flight also has a need for lift (to overcome weight) and thrust (to overcome drag).


the lift should come from the left this time because all they do is drag the process to a halt.
on Jan 17, 2005
Reply By: UBoBPosted: Monday, January 17, 2005


Not sure where this fits into your bird metaphor but,...


ummm a left wing represents the dems. and a right wing the reps. both need to work together, for maximum effect.
on Jan 17, 2005
This is off topic but it is very important.

Kleenex is made out of ancient forests!

Can you believe it? Kimberly-Clark, the manufacturer of Kleenex brand tissue products, is destroying forests in Canada that have been around since the last Ice Age, 10,000 years ago, to make something that is used once and then flushed down the toilet or thrown away. It's insane.

Greenpeace has just launched a new campaign to pressure Kimberly-Clark to stop wiping away ancient forests. The website, which is full of info, is at www.kleercut.net

At this site there's also a pretty good action center where you can send a free fax to Kimberly-Clark telling them that they should stop destroying ancient forests to create toilet paper and facial tissue. The action center is at www.kleercut.net

That's the last time I blow my nose with Kleenex.
on Jan 17, 2005
Reply By: Earl(Anonymous User)Posted: Monday, January 17, 2005This is off topic but it is very important.Kleenex is made out of ancient forests!Can you believe it? Kimberly-Clark, the manufacturer of Kleenex brand tissue products, is destroying forests in Canada that have been around since the last Ice Age, 10,000 years ago, to make something that is used once and then flushed down the toilet or thrown away. It's insane. Greenpeace has just launched a new campaign to pressure Kimberly-Clark to stop wiping away ancient forests. The website, which is full of info, is at www.kleercut.netAt this site there's also a pretty good action center where you can send a free fax to Kimberly-Clark telling them that they should stop destroying ancient forests to create toilet paper and facial tissue. The action center is at www.kleercut.netThat's the last time I blow my nose with Kleenex.


I agree something should be done to protect our old growth forset from this rapeing of the land.
on Jan 17, 2005
Well, I think we should recycle Kleenexes.

Jus' kiddin', of course. Actually, perish the thought. But, you're right about two things, Earl. First, one reason I don't buy newspapers anymore, and read exclusively online, is because of the amount of paper, ie forests, ie Canadian forests that are required to make newspapers.

Secondly, yup, you're waaayyy off topic here. But, you are hawking a good cause. Keep it up.
on Jan 17, 2005

YOu are a thinking individual, and our only disagreement is in degrees, not ideals.  Does that make me a leftist?  Or you a rightist?  No, it means we are people with few choices, and we have to compromise in our voting.  But not our beliefs.

I dont disagree with ideals. Only with the implementation of the solutions.

on Jan 17, 2005
Oh, And Champas.  Nice start to the 12 step program!
on Jan 17, 2005
I agree something should be done to protect our old growth forset from this rapeing of the land.


A right winger supporting enviornmentalists?!?! wow. Maybe I was wrong about you.
on Jan 18, 2005
Thankyou all for such nice feedback particularly dabe and dirty sanchez. I feel a bit under pressure to keep on delivering now.

"Rather than left or right, I believe you're saying serious thinking should be the medium of politics."

Very much so steven. As Dr Guy alludes to there is far less difference between "Right" and "Left" than is usually represented. That isn't to say I don't strongly disagree with a lot of things done by people supposedly on the Right of course, but often the disagreement comes in how to come to an idealistic position, rather than a disagreement on what is ideal.

Earl, you are off topic, but it is an important issue and thus important to talk about it.

I think you do need both wings to fly, hard as it may be to admit at times. I think both wings occasionally cause drag and both occasionally cause lift.

Anyway, I'm off to go try that test.
on Jan 18, 2005
hmmm kingbee. I think the write up about the problems of Right Left distinctions that you link to are very insightful, although the test is perhaps still not quite satisfactory. I don't personally believe in the labelling system at all. I think you need to take each issue on its own merit, which I think is what I was alluding to in my article. But my result was that I'm a Libertarian Leftie.

Economic Left/Right: -6.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.31
on Jan 18, 2005
a very good and helpful article, Champas. -from an economic lefty -4.38 and a social libertarian -3.38.
on Jan 18, 2005
Reply By: sandy2Posted: Monday, January 17, 2005I agree something should be done to protect our old growth forset from this rapeing of the land.A right winger supporting enviornmentalists?!?! wow. Maybe I was wrong about you.


I keep telling you that I am a moderate republican....even tho I can rough on the left {most of it comes from disappointment} for the 11th time ."I was democrat" for 36 years
on Jan 18, 2005
Anyway, I'm off to go try that test.


best of luck with the test
on Jan 18, 2005

Reply By: Moderateman Posted: Sunday, January 16, 2005
While I loath breaking up this lovefest of lefties I also took this test and will now post what I test to be.

Econ.left/right -4.00
social lib./ auth. -2.05

H0W come no remarks about my score..... is it because no one can bash and TRASH ME AND MY POLITICS>?
on Jan 18, 2005

Nice Score?


Is that what you want to hear?  ::looks confused::


Cheers

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