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Published on March 21, 2005 By Champas Socialist In Current Events
A little over a week ago, 60 Minutes featured a story about recent riots in some of the working class suburbs of Sydney. Ever-insightful reporter, Mike Munro stayed 3 nights in the area to do the report and his crew was attacked during that time. He showed some aspects of life in these suburbs and talked to some of the kids who have been involved in violence there. When he interviewed NSW Labor premier Bob Carr, Carr said he had no sympathy for the rioters because he knew too many people from underprivileged backgrounds who had made a go of it. I sent this letter to 60 Minutes after the report…

I was very concerned by the way your reporter Mike Munro gained the confidence of the people of Macquarie Fields, only to bring us a report in which he never stopped moralising about them. In spite of the fact that many people he spoke to tried to help him understand how complex the situation is, Munro still seemed to believe it should be as simple as going out and getting a job. Monro was never unfortunate enough to be born into a culture of crime, poor education, a stressful home, and a welfare mentality, and 3 days of “roughing it” was never likely to give him any idea of what that’s like. The frustration of these kids must be immense and while it is no excuse, it is unsurprising that they react the way they do. Being able to steal a car takes a lot of ability, effort and passion. If only society could help them find ways to channel this into more worthwhile pursuits.

Bob Carr’s equally simplistic response was even more disappointing. Our leaders should be looking for positive ways of rebuilding the social fabric in those communities, and ensuring that children are given an education that will teach them the skills and knowledge they need for a brighter future. Instead all we get is negativity. And so the class war continues.


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on Mar 21, 2005
I did not see the 60 minutes episode that you refer to how ever I have to agree with your statment that
"Our leaders should be looking for positive ways of rebuilding the social fabric in those communities, and ensuring that children are given an education that will teach them the skills and knowledge they need for a brighter future."

Australia is facing difficult times and education or at the very least the oppotunity for education should be absolutly priority #1
on Mar 21, 2005
Now here's a sentence I never thought I'd say: Thanks piers for agreeing with me. I presume you didn't name yourself after Piers Akermann.
on Mar 21, 2005
Champas.. although I agree with you on alot of thinds I have to say after having first hand experience with the very people involved with these riots and the main incidence that sparked them I have to say to you that these kids are no good to the core. Not only have they been given a multitude of opportunities throughout their lives they have been on various occasions been handed on a platter many opportunites only to have them thrown back at the faces of those who have offered them.

These kids broke the law, but in their eyes they havent and have shown that they have no regard for the very people who are enacted to help them. They have the poor me attitude, and with this attitude it is perpetuated by their families who encourage by their actions the very emotions and actions that cause this "class war".

I was brought up in what was termed "lego land" up until the age of 16. I experienced this mentality first hand. I learnt to deal with many situations by the surroundings I was brought up in. We eventually left the area due to my parents realising that it was detrimental to our family.

I know the kids involved with this incident. They have no regard for anything but themselves. It was only a matter of time that this happened to them.

Sure they should channel this energy to constructive things, but the fact is they dont want to. They do this because they think they can get away with it. It is easier for them, and they feel that they are owed this as a right to be given things without earning it. That is how they were brought up.
on Mar 21, 2005
IChampas:
Interesting blog. Bob 'Teflon' Carr illustrates one of the great skills of the successful politician - when things go wrong blame someone else, and when they go right award yourself all the credit. As Quentin Crisp once put it, 'Politics is the art of claiming responsibility for the inevitable'. (Unless of course it's a 'bad' thing - like a 'global trend' for higher interest rates, for example.)

Phoenixboi:
'these kids are no good to the core' vs. 'That is how they were brought up'.
So which is it? Nature or nurture? Are they fundamentally flawed, or are the sins of the fathers being visited upon the sons?
Obviously, I don't think it's nearly as 'black and white' as you suggest. Good for you for rising above the limitations of your own upbringing, but you should be aware that such argument are also often used by those in unusually fortunate circumstances to pass judgement upon whole sections of society.

Recent example:
Bill Cosby telling black Americans to pull their collective socks up.
Is there really room in this world for 30 million spin-off series from 'The Cosby Show'? God, I hope not.

Example from the 1980s:
Norman Tebbit (Margaret Thatcher's Employment Minister, the 'Surbiton boot boy' of working class origins) telling the UK's 4 million unemployed to do what his father did 40 years earlier and 'get on their bikes' in search of work. Not helpful. And can you imagine the traffic congestion ...
on Mar 21, 2005
Obviously, I don't think it's nearly as 'black and white' as you suggest. Good for you for rising above the limitations of your own upbringing, but you should be aware that such argument are also often used by those in unusually fortunate circumstances to pass judgement upon whole sections of society.


What I am saying here is I know these people personally. I know how they were brought up and I know the efforts made to help them. Sure it doesnt apply to all people in Maquarie Fields, but this particular family, I can say it does.
on Mar 21, 2005
Monro was never unfortunate enough to be born into a culture of crime, poor education, a stressful home, and a welfare mentality, and 3 days of “roughing it” was never likely to give him any idea of what that’s like.


Actually you have no idea what you're talking about - Mike Munro's mother was an abusive alcoholic - he had quite a traumatic upbringing and could identify with many of the situations. Just read his autobiography A Pasty Faced Nothing.
on Mar 22, 2005
I never said Munro didn't have bad things in his life. We've all had our trials and tribulations and I had heard about Munro's family. This to me does not equate with the culture of MF.
on Mar 22, 2005
There is so much opinion about this situation and why it happened. I don't know what to believe about any of it as I don't have any first-hand knowledge of the situation. I think any press coverage, regardless of which channel, is going to be subjective. I don't think any of us really have a true understanding of what occurred and, short of going out and talking to the rioters ourselves, we probably never will.

The frustration of these kids must be immense and while it is no excuse, it is unsurprising that they react the way they do


I agree. Sure, rioting is no excuse but the authorities should be viewing this as a last-resort scream for help from an area and a group of people who quite obviously need as much help as they can get to rise above.
on Mar 24, 2005
short of going out and talking to the rioters ourselves, we probably never will.


Knowing the people involved I can tell you first hand.
on Mar 26, 2005
PB, firstly, I'm glad you see no problem with the idea that we are able to disagree on some things on agree on others. I expect my readers to consider every issue on its merits. However, I remember once that an ex of mine spread all sorts of rumours about me that were rather disparaging, based on half truths and which fitted with certain actions of mine at the time. These actions made perfect sense to people who knew the full story of what was going on in my life at the time, but to those shallow friends who didn't, I came across as someone who they judged and were no longer friends with. So while I respect your right to have your opinion on these people, I would need more evidence than you have provided to go with you on this. And even then, I doubt you know the full story either and I wouldn't want to judge them purely on that. Besides which I am trying to extrapolate a more general point about these sorts of events, as dynamaso hinted at. And trina, you seem to forget who my parents were (or I never mentioned it to you).
on Mar 26, 2005
Champas due to the issue currently being in court I dont think it would be wise for me to discuss the people involved on a public forum but I would gladly do so in chat or email.

There was a good discussion panel on a show on SBS the other night where they talked about rioting in general in australia lately like in Perth and Sydney, worth while seeing and a good range of perspectives.
on Mar 26, 2005
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