I don't know if they would be rolling in their graves; old Prime Minister Billy Hughes was a bit of a racist bastard and would probably be happy to see the Arabs fighting with the Jews. From all reports Churchill and and the rest weren't much better. But hey, agreeing with Mr Hughes is hardly something to be proud of, so maybe you've got a point.

Did the US ever actually approve the Geneva Conventions? I remember someone telling me they didn't, but then the girl that told me was a rabid greenie and might have had too many magic mushies.

Hmmm; Impressment of U.S. Sailors; Mustard Gas; V2 Rockets and Gas Chambers; The Bataan Death March; The Hanoi Hilton; Gulf War Syndrome; Blackhawk Down; Beheadings, Roadside Bombs disquised as dead dogs and Suicide Bombers...golly gee Martha! I guess the rest of the world subscribed to the Geneva Convention too. It's easy to dis the actors when you're sitting comfortably in the audience. Get a clue. Better yet, try serving your country in some fashion and offer some constructive advice instead of belly aching with no point.

Agent Orange was a defoliant, not a chemical weapon. Tht it was later found to be a carcinogen is not relevant tot he Geneva Convention. The Invasion of Iraq was provoked by his refusal to live up to the armistice he signed when he was kicked out of Kuwait. The war never ended, it was just put on hold to give Saddam a chance, which he blew.

Political prisoners are not covered under the Geneva convention, however if you are referring to the abuse of prisoners atu Abu Graib, then you will also note the guilty parties are being tried and convicted of their crimes.

Whoever is the president, I can assure you that he will ignore you like a sack of rotting garbage, for it is clear you do not know your facts or history, but your communist screed died over a decade ago with the demise of the USSR.

Cacto, the US is a signatory of the Geneva Convention. Your friend is confusing it with the Kyoto accords.

I don't know if Agent Orange was used as just a defoliant. It was used on areas right next to civilian villages and used over water sources used by the locals. Sure it was designed to be a defoliant, but the mass use of it suggests that Bomber Command at least (who might be expected to know something about where it's used even if the government doesn't) wasn't particularly concerned about possible civilian loss of life or contamination.

Your friend is confusing it with the Kyoto accords

Nah, on recollection it was the rights of the child convention. The US supposedly won't sign because it disagrees with the line in the convention about executing minors.

I think you have touched the right bases, Agent Orange is forgotten. We have to worry about what father and son have together given this w

orld: I mean George I and GeorgeII. Depleted Urarium bombs have been dropped in large quantities In Iraq and there is every danger o

By: Champas Socialist Posted: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 on Champagne Socialism Message Board: Politics Agent Orange in Vietnam. The unprovoked invasion of Iraq. The abuse of political prisoners. Dear US Presidents of the future, the Geneva conventions were not intended as guidelines. They are the combined wisdom of a generation who, unlike you, lived with war. You only ever have to observe from afar. Those wise men now roll in their graves

We signed the conventions but the second set was never ratified by the US. So it's non-binding! Do your homework before opening mouth and inserting foot.

Depleted Urarium bombs have been dropped in large quantities In Iraq and there is every danger o

Pop quiz, hot shot! What exactly does the US Military use Depleted Uranium for? What muntion or muntions can it be found in?

The answer might suprise you!!

- Grimgent X

Reply #7 By: Grim Xiozan - 10/20/2004 1:25:26 PM Depleted Urarium bombs have been dropped in large quantities In Iraq and there is every danger o Pop quiz hot shot what exactly do the US Military use Depleted Uranium for? What muntion can it be found in? The answer might suprise you!! - Grimgent X

Unless I'm saldly mistaken the other guy is talking out his butt! The US uses depleted uranium in cannon/mortar rounds (20 mike-mike if I remember correctly.) as armor piercing NOT as bombs!

Unless I'm saldly mistaken the other guy is talking out his butt! The US uses depleted uranium in cannon/mortar rounds (20 mike-mike if I remember correctly.) as armor piercing NOT as bombs!

Bingo!

The DU rounds are only used for Armor Piercing; bombs that are dropped are conventional explosives (non-DU).

Of course, if we are talking about the A-10 Thunderbolt it uses DU rounds in its Vulcan cannon to pierce tank armor.

- Grim Xorce: Step into the Black!

Political prisoners are not covered under the Geneva convention,

Yeah, isn't it convenient that the gov't can go around declaring people as 'enemy combatants' now. Come on, you can't possibly say that evrything that the gov't has done as of late is completely Kosher.

Whoever is the president, I can assure you that he will ignore you like a sack of rotting garbage, for it is clear you do not know your facts or history, but your communist screed died over a decade ago with the demise of the USSR.

And I hope he will have the insight to ignore your hateful opinion as well. While I am not a communist, I know enough about history to know that the USSR was not really communist either, but a socialist dictatorship that bordered on a theocracy. Go back to the 50s with your Red Scare BS.

Yeah, isn't it convenient that the gov't can go around declaring people as 'enemy combatants' now. Come on, you can't possibly say that evrything that the gov't has done as of late is completely Kosher.

Ever heard of Sodium Penthanol and the proper way to interrogate prisoners under Geneva Convention guidelines?

In fact, how would you (those of you who are concerned over Gitmo Bay) want an interrogation conducted according to your take on the Geneva Convention accords?

- Xplosively Grimmy

Sodium Penthanol (is that the right spelling?) is inefficient and often ineffective as an interrogation drug. Drugs are much more effective combined with psychological and physical torture like that inflicted in Iraq by both Saddam and rogue US forces.

I think most of Bahu's post has been lost - while his Depleted Uranium bomb claim shows ignorance, it might be better to wait and see what else he has to say before judging him completely.

I think most of Bahu's post has been lost - while his Depleted Uranium bomb claim shows ignorance, it might be better to wait and see what else he has to say before judging him completely.

I didn't say anything about him being ignorant just trying to get his reasoning behind his claim. As for the interrogation you can torture somebody without laying a hand on them...it is called sleep deprivation. Though the methods I wanted to hear from people complaining about Gitmo were methods that they consider are compliant with the Geneva Convention guidelines.

- Xond, Grim Xond, Agent 0069

Well, I would call his claim about depleted uranium bombs ignorant - that's why I said it showed ignorance. Depleted uranium bombs would be a ecological disaster. The US military couldn't justify that, despite their incredible PR machine.

Hearing about the massive psychological damage that one of Australia's Gitmo detainees appears to have suffered while in Cuba suggests to me that, if only Geneva Convention sanctioned torture was used, then perhaps the rules need to be tightened a little. According to his lawyers he's lost the capacity to speak or respond in any recognisably human way - one of the reasons the media aren't allowed in the courtrooms. That kind of deconstruction takes a lot of time and effort. It's fortunate that he's not subject to a court of justice or he'd probably be acquitted or sent to the asylum to be patched up.

One of the funniest things about writing articles like this one is watching the right wingers get their knickers in a twist over the silliest little things and completely missing the point of the article, as though their little nit picks somehow justifies what successive US Presidents have done. And then they pretend they know their stuff so much better than me, when even George Dubya would have a good chance of seeing through them. You crack me up, you really do.